Top Ten Reasons Why Not To Be A 9/11 Truther

1: They make videos for profit or politcal gain.
2: They lie to the public with false statements.
3: They claim to have evidence but don't show it. Why hide it?
4: They try to debunk the debunkers but can't come up with new ideas.
5: They bribe people to help lie about 9/11. They probably do!
6: They accuse the Government and the Country for a crime they didn't commit.
7: They harass/beat up innocent people who don't agree with them or their theories. Look up "9/11 Truther Attacks Wheelchair Bond Teenager".
8: They go to Ground Zero to protest on almost 3,000 graves on the 9/11 Anniversaries. Which is why the News doesn't cover their story.
9: They say the same theories over and over like a broken record.

And the top tenth reason why not to be a 9/11 Truther is:

10: Because you can never win with a Debunker who has evidence to shut you up and to make you talk like a child when confronted with evidence.

Definition of a 9/11 Truther

"Schizophrenia - one of the most damaging of all mental disorders - causes its victims to lose touch with reality. They often begin to hear, see, or feel things that aren't really there (hallucinations) or become convinced of things that simply aren't true (delusions). In the paranoid form of this disorder, they develop delusions of persecution or personal grandeur."

Yes, the 9/11 Truther is sadly schizophrentic. They have lost touch with all of reality. They will hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see and feel like telling the "truth" about 9/11.

But what is "truth" without evidence to prove that the U.S. Government was involved in 9/11? Without evidence there can't be a trial.

Bill Of Rights:

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

In the Supreme Court the witnesses must have with them evidence to convict the person(s) responsible. There can not be a case against any person(s) without evidence.

9/11 Truthers can be compared with Nazis

"zxcts:

debunkers are the lowest life form on yt (YouTube) and need to be exterminated Just send m to auschwitz LOL"

Truely the 9/11 Truthers can be compared to being Nazis.

9/11 Truther Makes Death Threats to President

http://www.infowars.com/?p=4602&cp=1#comment-545343

"8 Danny Says:
September 16th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

It is time for us to start killing. That’s what we are going to have to start doing sooner or later. Infowars had a piece about all the people that have died under Hellary Clinton. We already know of all the people that both Bush’s has killed. The day is going to come when we stop filming them and start shooting them."

This type of behavior from a 9/11 Truther indicates their true nature.

9/11 Truther Timothy S. McNiven Gives Up

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=5437

Here's the letter:

"After years of looking for a person in the 9-11 truth movement who is interested in the Truth about US Government 9-11-01 prior knowledge I have given up because there is not one person in what is called the 9-11 truth movement that is interested in the Truth; all they want to do is write a book about their "personal opinion" (I think it was done this way but I don't know for sure but pay me for my guessing anyway), put together a movie and do a speaking tour to make a Million Dollars. So, I am now looking outside of the 9-11 truth movement for someone who is interested in the Truth and since you have been Censored by those who call themselves the 9-11 truth movement, I guess that is you. In 2003 I provided Testimony for the Ellen Mariani RICO Lawsuit that was filed by Phil Berg against the Bush administration; my 1976 US Military Study to Improve US Air Travel Security information is Count III of the Lawsuit text. (pages 25 to 27)

http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/docs/mariani_lawsuit.pdf
In the first paragraph of my Affidavit I identify myself as the United States Defense Department Agent I am and both US Federal Judge Rebreno and US Attorney General John Ashcroft accepted my Testimony as being True.
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/docs/affidavit.pdf
Federal Judge Rebreno being the Judge who's US Federal Court I Testified for had the responsibility of making sure "No" Crimes were committed in his US Federal Court to include "Impersonating a Federal Agent" that was a Federal Felony even before the Patriot Act and US Attorney General John Ashcroft who was responsible for Prosecuting all US Federal Criminal cases didnot have me Arrested or even Questioned about my committing the US Federal Felony of "Impersonating a US Federal Agent" when I Testified for US Federal Court that I am a US Federal Agent. Meaning that the US Government accepted as being True my US Federal Court Testimony that I am a US Federal Agent (For Kevin Barrett's claim that I did not tell the Truth in my US Federal Court Testimony; the US Government would not in "9-11 truth movement Police State" post 9-11-01 America know who their US Federal Agents are. Do you believe the US Government does not know who their US Federal Agents are as Kevin Barrett claims?) because US Federal Law gave Federal Judge Rebreno and US Attorney General John Ashcroft the "Official" US Government Legal Opinion about whether or not I told the Truth in my US Federal Court Testimony. Pretty simple Legal reasoning, isn't it? But yet to this day the Political Agenda people of the 9-11 truth movement like Kevin Barrett and Drew Noftel claim that I didnot tell the Truth in my US Federal Court Testimony. But, when I ask them to produce the US Federal Law that states that the "personal opinion" of Kevin Barrett and Drew Noftel supersedes US Federal Law and the Official US Government Legal Decisions of the only two people on Earth that US Federal Law gives an Official US Government Opinion to US Federal Judge Rebreno and US Attorney General John Ashcroft as to whether or not I told the Truth in my US Federal Court Testimony they "Refuse" to do so. Kevin Barrett's and Drew Noftel's "Refusal" to back up what they say with US Federal Law and Physical Evidence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that what is called the 9-11 truth movement is a total and complete "Fraud".

What Kevin Barrett, Drew Noftel and the rest of the 9-11 truth movement calls an investigation has nothing to do with the investigative process. I am an Investigative Agent for the Department of Defense (just because I have Heart Disease does not mean I am not a US Federal Agent it only means that I have Heart Disease, Kevin and Drew) and when you conduct an investigation you obtain all of the information that you possibly can "first", then you review it and only then do you make assumptions about it. Not what Kevin Barrett, Drew Noftel and the rest of the 9-11 truth movement has done which is to start with their Political Agenda "personal opinion" and then create or make up information to support their Political Agenda and to Censor all information that doesnot fit into their Political Agenda.

Both Kevin Barrett and Drew Noftel as well as every other person who calls themselves a 9-11 truther has "Refused" to meet me on stage in Public to explain why their "personal opinion" supersedes US Federal Law. (Note: Drew Noftel is a Canadian Citizen who claims his Canadian Citizen's "personal opinion" supersedes US Federal Law.)

A remedy for what is called the 9-11 truth movement is for you to contact them, to include contacting their websites, their radio shows (I would love to confront Kevin Barrett about his Censorship of my information but he "Refuses" to have me on his radio show.) and their personal email address' and ask them these questions: Why have you Censored US Government 9-11-01 prior knowledge that has been proven to be True in US Federal Court? ; Will you meet US Federal Agent McNiven on stage in public to explain why your "personal opinion" supersedes US Federal Law? And keep asking them every day until they produce the US Federal Law that says their "personal opinion" supersedes US Federal Law and that they will meet me on stage in Public to explain why their "personal opinion" supersedes US Federal Law.

I have also challenged Luke Rudkowski and his We Are Change cameramen to come to Bellingham,Wa so that I can ask Luke straight to his face to produce the US Federal Law that says his "personal opinion" supersedes US Federal Law and Luke Rudkowski and his We Are Change group has "Refused" every request to confront me face to face and produce the Physical Evidence that proves what they say. This is further proof that the 9-11 truth movement is nothing but a "Fraud". They make outlandish claims like the supermarket tabloids and then "never" back up their claims with physical evidence; they just run away like Cowards and then demand that other people give them Money for their "Promised" US Federal Court case that in 2006 when they submitted their Evidence to have a Grand Jury convened it was found to "Not" be credible enough to convene a Grand Jury for and have "Refused" to Publicly release why the Judge ruled their so said Evidence wasn't credible. (not good for Cash Contribution collection, I guess)

If the people who are not part of what is called the 9-11 truth movement confronts them (the 9-11 truth movement) with US Federal Law in concerns to their "personal opinion" and their Censorship of proven to be True in US Federal Court US Government 9-11-01 prior knowledge this should bring this 9-11 truth movement "Fraud" to an end.

The additional information that the other members of C-Battery have about the Study especially the Sergeants and Officers is the information that you have been asking for; just how much prior knowledge did the US Government have? Since my Testimony was proven to be True by the "Official" US Government Legal Decisions of Federal Judge Rebreno and US Attorney General John Ashcroft the Testimony of the other participants will also be True. Due to my Heart Disease my effort to locate these people hasnot been fruitful and since the 9-11 truth movement has Censored my information totally and completely (recently Fraiser Valley 9-11 truth.org the only 9-11 truth website that had posted my information has pulled it from the internet) the search for them has been delayed and their information kept from the people who "want" their information by Kevin Barrett, Drew Noftel and the rest of the 9-11 truth movement.

If there is anyone who is interested in the truth you need to locate these people who took part in the Study for their information; in my effort to find them I tracked Lt.Teague down to the US Army Rangers Association that he belonged to but he was afraid of retaliation to come forward. Some of the retaliation that the Bush administration has done to me includes sending the FBI to my home on July 6,2005 to Illegally Confiscate my Department of Defense ID Card. Here is the receipt I was given for it by FBI Special Agent Lance Boyer.
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/11232005/lawyer22.jpg
Greg Szymanski wrote an article about the FBI raid on my home to include calling the FBI Office who confirmed that they had gone to my home and Confiscated my DoD ID Card but wouldnot discuss the Legality of their actions.
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/31-Jul-2005.html
After three months of Lawyers refusing to represent me I requested an investigation be done by the Seattle Office of the US Marshal who reviewed my incident report and forwarded it to the US Attorney's Office for further investigation. US Attorney General Gonzales did nothing with my request.
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/11042005/usmarshals2.jpg
More recently in January of 2008 the Bush administration sent two Secret Service Agents to my home to Harass and Threaten me and then a couple of months later had the FBI contact me again.
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/200804/200804-FBI.jpg
In response to these acts I complained to US Attorney General Mukasey and Rep.Ron Paul; neither of which replied even after repeated contacts. (so much for Ron Paul and his follow the Law policy)
http://www.codenamegrillfire.com/20080731/...ael_mukasey.pdf
Recently I traveled to Tempe,Az to meet Jesse Ventura at his book signing at Changing Hands Bookstore on September 10,2008. I brought for him a letter explaining the 1976 US Military Study information, the Mariani Lawsuit, retaliation by the Bush administration and the Censorship by Kevin Barrett (who he recently supported for US Congress) and the 9-11 truth movement. He reluctantly took it but hasnot replied that he even read it in these past four weeks.

If you locate any of the members of C-Battery 2/81st FA, US Army 1975 -76 you can contact me at Timothy734@webtv.net Below is the list of names that I could remember and any information about the people that I have.C-Battery 2/81st FA, US Army 1975-76Lt.Michael Teague (Long Island,NY and US Army Rangers Association member) Col.Robert Morrison (he was on a PBS program about Viet Nam a couple of years before 9-11-01) Maj.Joe Dipiero, SgtMaj.Mackay, Sgt.Riggs, Ssg.Middleton (Philadelphia,Pa) Ssg.Frank Murray, Ssg.Wolford, 1stSgt.Ray (Oklahoma) Ssg.Jackson, Ssg.Brown, Sgt.Jorge Arroyo (Washington State) Sgt.Terry Henderson (South Carolina) Sgt.Buck (North Carolina) Sgt.Broder, Sgt.Steadman, Sgt.John Spears, Sgt.Taraza, Sgt.Meralas, Sgt.Garza, Sgt.Coker, Sgt.Edwards, Sgt.Sam Handley (Oklahoma) Cpl. / Spc. Wisner (Alabama and he was a nephew of George Wallace) Cpl.Pickett (he and his cousins were on an all American High School Football Team in the early 1970's and they were called the "Pickett Fence" since they were all linemen) Ricky Lyons (New York State) Dan Henderson, George Cinch, Jake Asuit (Utah) Robert "Rick" Bruns (Kansas City,Mo area) Bruce Levine, Richard Seanz (Phoenix,Az) Thomas Gumbs (Virgin Islands) Sam Icono, Berni Domoski, Terry Cook, Michael Hubert (Chicago,Il) Martain Seals, Dennis Montoya (Denver,Co) Jack Fetch (Indiana) Bill Gully, Harry Walgren, Bodan Bodonivich (Cleveland,Oh)

US DoD Agent,Timothy S. McNiven"

7 years after 9/11

It's been 7 years, 1 month and 2 days since 9/11. The 9/11 Truthers have claimed that they have evidence to support their claims. They have constantly backed their information up with doctored up YouTube/Google videos that claims to have proof that 9/11 was an "Inside Job". But here it is, 7 years, 1 month and 2 days and still there hasn't been anything publicly made to suggest that the U.S. Government was involved in the plot on 9/11/2001 by the 9/11 Truth Movement or their followers.

Arguements abond the 9/11 Truthers. They have marched around Ground Zero in an effort to get their agenda and views across. They have mocked the 9/11 Survivors, their families and those that died on that terrible day. There have been countless films made by these Truthers about 9/11. And none of those films contain evidence to support their theories.

9/11 Truth Movement Criticism

The movement has attracted the attention of some major mainstream media publications.
On September 3, 2006: Time Magazine published a lead article, "Why the 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away", noting that:

"The population of world No. 2 [the 9/11 Truth Movement] is larger than you might think. A Scripps-Howard poll of 1,010 adults last month found that 36% of Americans consider it "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that government officials either allowed the attacks to be carried out or carried out the attacks themselves. Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality."

The same article concluded that:

"The [conspiracy] theories prompt small, reasonable questions that demand answers that are just too large and unreasonable to swallow."

The movement receives criticism from a variety of sources. Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone wrote that he has "two basic gripes with the 9/11 Truth Movement":

"The first is that it gives supporters of Bush an excuse to dismiss critics of this administration. I have no doubt that every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes.... Secondly, it's bad enough that people in this country think Tim LaHaye is a prophet and Sean Hannity is an objective newsman. But if large numbers of people in this country can swallow 9/11 conspiracy theory without puking, all hope is lost."

MIT engineering professor Thomas W. Eagar was at first unwilling to acknowledge the concerns of the movement, saying: "if (the argument) gets too mainstream, I'll engage in the debate." In response to physicist Steven Jones publishing a hypothesis that the World Trade Center was destroyed by controlled demolition, Eager stated:

"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the "reverse scientific method"… they determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."

At a political rally for his wife, Bill Clinton responded to a heckler by saying, "Nine-eleven was NOT an inside job, it was an Osama Bin Laden job with 19 people from Saudi Arabia, they murdered 3,000 Americans and others foreigners including Muslims and we look like idiots, that the people who murdered our fellow citizens did it, when they are continuing to murder other people around the world."

My personal opinion is that this sentence really tops it off:

"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the "reverse scientific method"… they determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."

Out of all the 9/11 Truther claims they do indeed use reverse science in all of their views. They haven't really understood the complex nature of what happened on 9/11. They haven't been ableto cope with the fact that 9/11 was done by Al-Queda. They have failed to realize that 9/11 was plotted in the first attack on the WTC in 1993. Ramzi Yousef told an FBI agent while passing the WTC in a plane: "If I used more explosives they would not be standing." And another comment he made, and it is very clear to our minds: "Next time we will use planes." These 2 are valuable to confronting the 9/11 Truther with the truth and the known facts. You can Google up Ramzi Yousef and see for yourself what he has told the FBI in 1993.

Blog not dedicated to "Anom01y"!

The mind of a 9/11 Truther is a terrible mind to waste. But here is our good friend "Anom01y" saying a few choice words about me on YouTube with his friend "Avoozl07" (I will dissect his comments one by one. My responses will be red):

"anom01y (11 hours ago)
yep, now he has a blog dedicated to me, which makes HIM look like a time wasting fool, considering MOST people know 9/11 was an inside job and HE is the MINORITY.Ah well, 9/11 is only one of the many many conspiracies I have researched, and I spend only a small percentage of my time researching 9/11 compared to other conspiracies (9/11 is probably the most obvious conspiracy).I'd say I did a good job pissed him off to have a blog dedicated to attacking me LOL!

(The only "time wasting fool" are the 9/11 Truthers. They claim to have the evidence to prove that 9/11 was an "Inside Job". But yet they really don't have any evidence to prove it. The only minorities in the U.S. are those (9/11 Truthers) that blame our country for something they didn't do themselves. Anom01y claims that I'm attacking him, well I'm just attacking his charactor and what he's representing.)

avoozl07 (13 hours ago)
LMFAO!! pwned!

anom01y (15 hours ago)
whyaskquestions: two things1) why not ask questions ? are you against asking questions as your name implies ?2) watch my video above labelled "Choson Ninja Philosophy on Karma". You might learn an important part of life by doing so.

(I'm against asking questions against my own country. There is no need to ask such questions when almost 3,000 of our good citizens died at the hands of 19 terrorist hijackers and that of Osama Bin Laden. The only important thing in life is to prove the 9/11 Truthers wrong. And they have been wrong for 7 years, and still counting.)

anom01y (16 hours ago)
Other evidence supporting my side of the argument that whyaskquestions blog can and will never "debunk" is the origional 9/11 videos produced and broadcasted by CNN and FOX having clearly tampered video evidence (watch September Clues, if still available).9/11 conspiracy researchers have NEVER produced tampered video evidence.Choose your side wisely.I am now finished debating 9/11 as it has proven to be a waste of time, I will continue to spread my side of the argument to wake other people up to another side of 9/11, despite what "debunkers" of 9/11 conspiracy evidence have attempted to "debunk"."Debunkers" have clearly shown their lack of integrity, truth, maturity, and understanding.

(Anom01y is still claiming to have evidence, but when asked about such evidence he will change the subject completely or repeat the same material over and over again. That is a tactic used by 9/11 Truthers, it's also providing us Debunkers with information that none of the 9/11 Truthers have any evidence. This blog isn't about debunking, it's providing service to those who want to know what the 9/11 Truther is really about. My side has been chosen after the dust settled on 9/11. I will use this piece against the Truthers: "9/11 Truthers have clearly shown their lack of integrity, truth, maturity, and understanding." Since they are incapable of understanding what is in the realm of reality.)

anom01y (16 hours ago)
ps. Most intelligent human beings have NO NEED to debate an obvious political agenda such as 9/11 after going through any of the evidence. So your blog, whyaskquestions, is a joke and a waste of time to most intelligent human beings dealing with this subject. Considering the WELL KNOWN FACT that the government has such a horrible history (exposed), it does not cross their mind to think it was not a political agenda, as I have personally experienced."

(Honestly 9/11 isn't about political gain. It never has and never will be. My blog is valuable because it shows that the 9/11 Truther is arrogant, incompetetant, self-centered, ignorant and lies about 9/11 constantly.)

Words taken out of context!

Here are a few choice words I had for Anom01y and he considered taking my words out of context.

"anom01y
other comments made, by the extremely frustrated whyaskquestions."I dare ya to comment you pussy!""fuck you"ohh, and."So you agree that fire can and will bend and warp steel? So what you say is that fire actually caused WTC 7 to collapse?"-- ps. there is a BIG difference between bend and warp steel, and a NEAR FREE FALL SYMMETRICAL COLLAPSE"

For Anom01y:

There's no difference between bending or warped steel. They're both the same and they react in the same way.

Truther Anom01y says that we "should be hung"!

This was captured before Anom01y deleted his post:

"anom01y
anyone who takes what is said by a key witness of what caused the collapse of WTC7 (Barry Jennings) and distorts their message, should be hung."

Is this a direct threat at us Debunkers?

Truther Anom01y's statements on YouTube!

"anom01y
As of a few minutes ago I have disabled comments to non-friends due to the spam produced by whyaskquestions (soon to be removed).I made the following arguments to whyaskquestions, and they where not answered, only ignored.a) a small office fire within WTC7 causing the seperation of every steel beam connection from eachother simultaneously.b) why near zero resistance was encountered during the collapse of WTC7c) why no other building has collapsed at NEAR FREE FALL GRAVITATIONAL SPEED due to a SMALL OFFICE FIRE, in the history of steel framed buildings."

He calls my evidence "spam". Typical 9/11 Truther will do that when they're faced with the facts and evidence. I've answered all of his arguements and they're all in his comment section. Here's the evidence that I answered all of his arguements (PS: He'll delete them so I'll save them on here.):

"WhyAskQuestions (48 minutes ago)
"please explain the story produced by Barry Jenkins, who happened to be in WTC7 prior to the collapse of WTC1 and 2, who states having experienced explosions within WTC7."There were no explosives inside WTC7. The only thing he probably heard were the computer monitors blowing up and the diesel fuel tanks that were in the basement.

anom01y (50 minutes ago)
please explain the story produced by Barry Jenkins, who happened to be in WTC7 prior to the collapse of WTC1 and 2, who states having experienced explosions within WTC7.

WhyAskQuestions (53 minutes ago)
"it will twist and bend, yes, after sustained periods of exposure to extreme temperatures"So you agree that fire can and will bend and warp steel? So what you say is that fire actually caused WTC 7 to collapse?

WhyAskQuestions (54 minutes ago)
That's what you 9/11 Truthers like to do with us innocent people. You try to strip our rights away when you're proved wrong and you can't admit it.

anom01y (55 minutes ago)
it will twist and bend, yes, after sustained periods of exposure to extreme temperatures, but a near free fall collapse ? your side of the argument is not quite clear.

WhyAskQuestions (56 minutes ago)
"next time you will be banned."Because you're the one treading on my rights and I proved you wrong from the start of this debate? Or is it that you're too scared to admit you're wrong?

WhyAskQuestions (57 minutes ago)
"so when did they start teaching physics, steel framed construction, and the rate at which they should fall at, to firefighters?"Why don't you do the right thing and become a firefighter to find out? You can talk the talk but you can't walk the walk with us firefighters. Too scared or just too fucking lazy?

anom01y (58 minutes ago)
Again? There was no free fall. No evidence to support it.I REPEAT FOR THE MANY MANY MANY TIMESNEAR FREE FALL SPEED COLLAPSE: within a few seconds thereof, implying near zero resistance during the collaps.nice play on words. keep trying, next time you will be banned.

WhyAskQuestions (59 minutes ago)
"And fire is an enemy to steel structures. "another beautiful claim made by you"Claim? It's a known fact! Have you ever taken an iron or steel rod and placed it over a campfire? Have you ever watched as it bent and warped from the heat?

anom01y (59 minutes ago)
so when did they start teaching physics, steel framed construction, and the rate at which they should fall at, to firefighters?


WhyAskQuestions (39 minutes ago)
"do you just make this stuff up ? or are you spoon fed this brainwashing information by your superiors ?"What does an office have in it dumbass? Are there computers and computer monitors and everything else in an office that can cause an explosion? Sorry! I'm not as "spoon fed" as you are. I've taken my daily dose of reality. However you've taken your daily dose of stupidity, which is quite apparent because you refute the evidence. And attacking me because I'm a firefighter proves that you're arrogant, ignorant and self-centered. If I were to bump into you, a few of my firefighter buddies would just love to talk with you about everything.

anom01y (40 minutes ago)
You did agree with me anyways. Saying "NO!" means only your defeat.? ok that is what you would like to think"A small fire, if sustained long enough, can and will cause steel to bend and warp. Even if it is a small office fire it can and will happen. I've seen it, you haven't!"you've seen another building collapse at NEAR FREE FALL GRAVITATIONAL SPEED due to a SMALL OFFICE FIRE ?

anom01y (43 minutes ago)
"he probably heard were the computer monitors blowing up and the diesel fuel tanks that were in the basement"do you just make this stuff up ? or are you spoon fed this brainwashing information by your superiors ?

WhyAskQuestions (43 minutes ago)
You did agree with me anyways. Saying "NO!" means only your defeat."a small office fire cannot cause the seperation of the connections of every steel beam of the structure SIMULTANEOUSLY. This has NEVER HAPPENED in the history of steel framed buildings."A small fire, if sustained long enough, can and will cause steel to bend and warp. Even if it is a small office fire it can and will happen. I've seen it, you haven't!

anom01y (46 minutes ago)
"So you agree that fire can and will bend and warp steel? So what you say is that fire actually caused WTC 7 to collapse?" NO. a small office fire cannot cause the seperation of the connections of every steel beam of the structure SIMULTANEOUSLY. This has NEVER HAPPENED in the history of steel framed buildings."

The evidence that I've argued and debated with him. It's quite clear that he's trying to get out of a situation that he put himself into.

Truther "Anom01y" makes big claims!

"anom01y: I have personally burned a computer screen (I was around 16 years old experimenting, not the most eco-friendly experiment I know, sorry). It never made a "big explosion" as claimed by Whyaskquestions"

That's because Anom01y has never threw hundreds of computer monitors (correct name for it) into a campfire and left them there to explode. Only using 1 monitor doesn't do it justice.

9/11 Truther On YouTube

Here's a post by a known 9/11 Truther:

"anom01y
wtc1, wtc2, and wtc7 fell at near free fall speed, and there is a mountain of evidence supporting explosives. The origional 9/11 final report has holes in it, NIST lies and sais WTC7 fell due to thermal expansion. 9/11 was an inside job, all you debunkers go fuck yourselves, you are defending crime."

You can find him commenting on Avoolz07's profile: http://www.youtube.com/user/avoozl07

Avoolz07 is another 9/11 Truther.

There is no single shred of evidence that WTC 1, 2 and 7 fell at "free fall" speed. There's also no "mountain of evidence" as anom01y claims to have. There certainly isn't evidence that 9/11 was an "Inside Job" either. The only thing I'm truely defending is my Constitutional Rights against people like the 9/11 Truthers who are trampling on our rights each and everyday after 9/11.

Confessions of an Ex- 9/11 Truther

Wednesday, December 31, 2008

Letter of Resignation:

Below is my unaltered initial blogpost where I officially left the 9/11 Truth Movement. There is strong language, which some have even criticized me for, but I felt it was best to keep it in it's original condition to capture the mood I was in when I came to the realization that I had been duped. Please scroll down for newer posts:
My name is Mike Metzger, MikeyMetz for short, co-founder of 9/11 Truth UAlbany. I will not go on about my past accomplishments in the "truth" movement, but I invite you to check out the official site and our stuff on GoogleVideo if you're that interested in my background.I figure the best way to start this all out is by reposting a Facebook note that explains my "sudden change of heart" to anyone who was interested.
Change of Heart? I might be thinking too much of myself, but I'm sure some of you are already jumping to conclusions over my apparent "change of heart." I can hear it already. "Mikey stopped smoking pot, and now he's ultra-conservative all of sudden." Or, how about "Mikey's fuckin girlfriend changed him overnight."If there's anyone who simplified my situation using one of these rationalizations immediately upon observing the obvious changes in my profile, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that you're one who quickly jumps to conclusions. I don't mean to offend anyone (although, I know I am), but I think that statement is rather representative of the entire 9/11 Truth Movement. My "change of heart" didn't happen overnight. This has been a process that has been eating away at me for the past month and a half. I wanted to act strategically as far as "coming out" as a means to perhaps transition the 9/11 Truth group on campus to one that was less focused on strictly 9/11-related issues (aka more truthful ones). However, I was exposed to something that truly angered me deep down in the wee hours of this morning, which I'll get to later. I was so outraged that I can no longer keep my mouth shut.For whatever reasons at the time, I no-showed the 8/11 truth action our group was doing in Albany. Instead, I watched a movie called Screw Loose Change. I expected it to point out a few corrections in some minor details of the film. To my surprise, it contested just about every claim in the entire movie. I was a bit shocked.I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented.Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts. There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to "hey, we're just asking questions" if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's? The truthers will just tell you that all the experts are "in on it." Yeah, sure. Every engineer in the world is complicit in the government's murder of 3,000 people. And so are the firemen, who apparently ordered Larry Silverstein to "pull" Building 7. The truthers' misrepresentation of Silverstein's quote is one of the most popular "facts" to spit out, but in doing so, you are effectively in agreement that firefighters were not only involved in the controlled demolition of WTC7, but they are also aiding and abetting in the government's cover-up. Yeah, every firefighter who was out there on 9/11 is going to be complicit in the MURDER OF 343 OF THEIR FALLEN BROTHERS! To quote Loose Change co-creator Jason Bermas, "the firefighters are paid off."This is absolute horseshit, which brings me to why I've formally distanced myself from this sorry excuse for a movement. Loose Change, 9/11 Mysteries, Alex Jones, and all the other kooks out there are fucking lying about, distorting, and misrepresenting the facts to further their personal agendas. And what is their agenda, you ask? Money, in the words of Shaggy 2 Dope, "mutha fuckin bitch ass money." Not only are they desecrating 3,000 graves, but they are profiting off of it. That, my friends, makes me sick to my fuckin stomach.Some may think that this is just a big personal attack, and that I'm not presenting enough facts. I honestly don't give a fuck because the information is out there. I love how all the truthers, myself included for a time, brag about how they've done all the "research." Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions. Check out the links I've listed above, or google "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change."Controlled demolitions: absolute bullshit. Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false. My problem, and your problem as well, is that we have been blatantly misled by people who are only interested in selling dvds and t-shirts. This is supposed to be a truth movement. At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of ass that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research."I don't know what the future holds for the student group. For the time being, I'm gonna continue to fill out the paperwork and other such presidential duties because I take my responsibilities and promises very seriously. But you won't see me hand out one more 9/11 pamphlet, or ever utter the phrase "9/11 was an inside job" ever again. I'd personally like to see the group transition away from fringe conspiracy theories and focus more on local issues (God knows, there's enough corruption in Albany, alone), but I might get outvoted by truthers. If that is the case, I cordially invite any of the truthers who think I'm totally wrong to step up and take the reigns. The group is, in part, my creation, but I'll gladly abdicate the throne if all everyone wants to do is continue the truther nonsense.Oh yeah, what sent me over the edge today? I watched Screw 9/11 Mysteries, which basically adds comments to the original movie. Like Screw Loose Change, every single theory spat out is immediately disproven with formal citations from the NIST report, scientific journals, and the experts themselves. By the end, the whole controlled demolition theory is a complete joke, as the film can't even keep their own story straight.9/11 Mysteries ends very tragically with a phone call from one of the victims inside the WTC. You may have seen it, it's the guy who's frantically describing the situation to a loved one, but then suddenly, the building starts to collapse and all you hear are his last words, agonizing screams. The creators of this propaganda movie did this intentionally, to play on your emotions right after feeding you all their bullshit theories.But as I watched this film again, this time with the annotations, I knew that the creators of this movie used that poor guy's dying moments for their own selfish gains of selling dvds and perpetuating myths that do nothing but denigrate the lives lost on 9/11/01.Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available.I'm done, thanks.

9/11 Truther "Shill" List

Here's a list of names on YouTube from a YouTuber: lnfantryofficer

Anarthur, PoetryHound, Esnir, Bundy133T, Bidimus1, RockShot777, coon460305, MsgtSpook, WhyAskQuestions, glennwall2, jizzmonger, ThinkBeforeYouPost, 300annSpartan, SharkGoddess, thesharkgodess, LHOdidntdoit, oxomaticman, greentractors, palepreach, GenCrazyIvan, TripleZ89, frosty8302, slickwillie0000, mattc153, MotherLandSecurity, armymanmike79, coverchenko, torrent29, 911NeverForget, homeric9, infantryofficer, Carimm60, ttthey, stopintollerancenow9, mst3k4evur, Adventists666, Elkahatchee9, WashDCDemocrat, helloimabtar, polishsensation, leftysergeant, ArmchairRevolution, Kyles45Angel, DsuperJew, JoliePrincessKatana

These people that are on the list are innocent people. Do you recognize any of these names? I'm included in the list.

9/11 Truther Attacks Wheelchair Bound Teen

BUSH BASHER SMASHES DISABLED TEEN: COPS
By PHILIP MESSING
April 24, 2008 — A man heckling First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna outside the 92nd Street Y was arrested after he punched a wheelchair-bound girl whose parents had told him to shut up, authorities said yesterday. German Talis, 22, was shouting obscenities at the Bushes, who were leaving the building Tuesday, when he crossed paths with Wendy and John Lovetro and their daughter Maureen, 18, who has cerebral palsy.
They had been in the audience to hear the Bushes talk about their children’s book, “Read All About It.”
“He began yelling about Iraq and Iran at Jenna Bush. She was waving at the crowd. I told the guy, ‘What are you doing? Shut up. This is about a child and books,’ ” said John Lovetro. “He was unperturbed. I said, ‘Get out of here! You’re being a moron!’ ”
The next thing he knew, Talis was allegedly punching Maureen - a fan of the first lady since meeting her in 2004.
“I heard my daughter hysterical yelling, ‘He’s hitting me!’ ” said Wendy Lovetro.
“He punched her on the shoulder blades, but that wasn’t enough,” she said.
“My husband pushed the wheelchair away from him and he reached beyond my husband and began pounding my daughter in the thigh.”
The two men fought as the president’s family drove off. Cops broke them up and busted Talis on charges of assault and resisting arrest.
Maureen was not seriously injured.
Is there any doubt that these people are insane?

9/11 Truther attacks me

MoltenMetalSmokingGun is an average YouTuber. His real name is Frinkelstein, but that name has been banned from YouTube do to Terms Of Service for violations. He goes by many names on YouTube, but insist that 9/11 was an "Inside Job". He even went as far as attacking me on another blog (link provided under "9/11 Truthers Attacking the Innocent"), just because I've proved him wrong.

How is it that people like MoltenMetalSmokingGun can attack people just because they've been proved wrong? Why do those type of people need to feed other people with their disinformation about 9/11?

I can tell you how and why:
They crave attention from outside sources and other people. They would do anything to keep their friends, even to go as far as lying about 9/11 and spread gossip about facts to which aren't true.

MoltenMetalSmokingGun is even attacking religion. As we look into history we find that that kind of attack is what the Nazis did in WWII. The Nazis exterminated the Jewish people because they thought that they were less than human. So I would like to believe that MoltenMetalSmokingGun is sliding towards to what a Nazi would think.

I'm just doing this to prove that I can dish it out and take it in, but can MoltenMetalSmokingGun do the same?

Think like a Truther

Thinking like a Truther, I've come to realize that their thought process is quite primitive. Without so much as thinking clearly, I could come up up with some wild imaginative and crazy claims reguarding 9/11 without any evidence to prove them right.

I could claim that Godzilla came and knocked down the Towers and people without ever thinking would come to a conclussion that I'm right, even though I have no evidence to prove it. Of course this type of thinking is only pre-school and I'm well beyond that kind of thinking. However the 9/11 Truthers have that kind of thinking. They would rather believe someone who doesn't have an education (Dylan Avery) and actually put that into their thoughts.

It all boils down to a little thing called evidence. Without evidence there can't be a claim worth having. In this case there is no evidence on behalf of the 9/11 Truthers, so their fantasy world is nothing more than childs play.

9/11 Truthers attacking the innocent

9/11 Truthers have been around since before the Towers fell. They are an extremist group and are very radical in the way they tell stories of 9/11 to other people who aren't mindful of the real truth or facts that have been laid out. They twist up comments from the 9/11 Survivors and take some of their words out of context. They will constantly lie about material to get their views across.

Greatest of lies: That 9/11 was an Inside Job done by our Government.

In all respects 9/11 wasn't an Inside Job. Reguardless if you think it might be but in reality it isn't. In a court of law it states that in order for something to be proven it must have evidence to back up the story or claim that has been filed. If there is no evidence then the story or claim can not be made as being truth.